My conversation with Latoya Peterson of Racialicious continues. In Round One, some of my guycentric critical oversights were addressed, and then we tackled the Weeknd (a.k.a., Abel Tesfaye), who I found to be symptomatic of a “Date Rape & B” trend, and who Latoya found to be nothing more than a creep.
We did, however, agree on the way that “murky” issues of consent have snuck into R&B and that something is indeed changing in hip-hop right now. Round One ended with Latoya responding to my rather sunny interpretation of hip-hop’s subtle shifts, as she observed that just because “Kanye gets to have a few reflective moments… doesn’t mean society has suddenly started caring more about what women want…”
I don’t know if this is just some idiosyncrasy on my part, but morally I find manipulation a lot more problematic than the sorts of things said in the most misogynistic work of N.W.A. or Three 6 Mafia. Everything that goes on in the latter is between consenting adults, and I don’t know that they’re really saying anything that isn’t true – promiscuous women who are really into rappers do exist, and they’re probably not people with whom one would want to get into a long-term relationship. On the other hand, a lot of r&b, as you say, and more generally a lot of discourse about women these days (e.g. the whole pick-up culture), is all about robbing women of their moral autonomy.
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